ago I did a bit of work in the training department at my regional. Same man, was checking about everyday for the last month or so. Left Virgin for "Paper work issues", never heard that reason before. The service runs two outbound and inbound flights per day on weekdays and one outbound and one inbound flight per day on weekends. After the accident, CommutAir implemented several actions to increase safety, said the NTSB. A local official said it was the pilot's second attempt at a landing. Flight Conducted Under: Part 121: Air Carrier - Scheduled. This website uses cookies for user interface, tracking performance and optimized ads. Can anyone confirm the following?There was no runway involved in the accident Never landed on the runway.Captain had been fired from another airline.Captain was "difficult" (I'm trying to be nice here) to fly with. There are pilots making it into airline cockpits that have had training failures at other airlines and they have been able to hide them from future employers. This applies to ANY wildcat actions, including slowdown, work-to-rules, withdrawal of enthusiasm (WOE), sickouts, etc. The fact that the product that airlines seek can be bought and behavior tailored shows just how fucked some hiring practices are. Edit: Failed simulator training. The accident took place on a snowy day in Presque Isle, Maine. Accident Number: ENG15IA024 Operator/Flight Number: United Express flight 4776 (operated by CommutAir) Aircraft and Registration: Bombardier DHC-8-202, N363PH . United Express flight 4933, operated by CommutAir, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport (PQI), Maine, USA, and impacted terrain to the right of the runway. And for such a serious incident too, anything involving airlines usually takes 2 years. Carguychris (talk) 19:14, 21 July 2022 (UTC), The result of the move request was: no consensus. Since Atlas 3591 and Colgan 3407 airlines are scrutinizing training failures a little closer. Pretty concerning when your livelihood is tied to things like accidents. The flight departed from Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR) with 28 passengers and three crew members. Contradicting the report that the plane landed on the runway and then skidded off, he said, that the actual landing, if you want to call it that, completely missed the runway. The experience had humbled her, but then she upgraded and the drama began again. Rick Daigle said from the airport via an interview using Facebook messenger that passengers realized there was a problem even before the plane hit the runway. The aircraft was piloted by a 40-year-old captain who joined CommutAir in March 2013 before working for another air carrier in November 2015. I was suppose to start a four day trip with an individual that displayed this described behavior. ^^^ You nailed it. Accident. The subscription is only 240 including 20% VAT per year, subscribers outside of the European Union save the VAT and pay only 200 . [1]:710, CommutAir and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) initially reported that the aircraft had touched down on the runway and then slid off, but the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) later clarified that the aircraft had missed the runway entirely. The plane left Newark, New Jersey and landed in Presque Isle around 11:30 Monday morning. Photo: NTSB. CommutAir Flight 4933 (operating as United Express Flight 4933) was a domestic regional flight operating from Newark, New Jersey, to Presque Isle, Maine, in the United States. Adopted: March . During the ensuing approach, both pilots said they saw the runway, albeit with difficulty due to snow. [1]:1,78 At around 11:10EST, according to cockpit voice recorder (CVR) transcripts, the pilots were having trouble seeing the runway clearly and attempted to turn on the runway lights by cuing the radio microphone. During a postaccident interview, the first officer stated that, when he transitioned from flight instruments to the outside during the second approach, he again saw white on white and blowing snow. You had me till you brought up sex and skin Color. On Mar 21st 2019 the NTSB reported: "On March 4, 2019, at 1143 eastern standard time, CommutAir flight 4933, an Embraer EMB-145XR, N14171, d.b.a. I had an employee that was a good stick and rudder pilot but horrible decision maker, cocky, and just did stupid shit like rolling a company 207. But of course, you can also have all news mailed right onto your desktop, too. At 11:16EST, the pilots contacted airport staff[N 1] to verify that the runway lights were turned on at maximum brightness; the staff turned on the lights at the brightest setting. The report indicated that Golden State was leading at halftime 58-49. Multiple failures here. Reports provide details about the accident, analysis of the factual data, conclusions and the probable cause of the accident, and the related safety recommendations. The doomed 747 began flying in 1971. On March 4, 2019, CommutAir flight 4933, a 50 passenger Embraer plane, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport in light to moderate snow. If you search the database for accidents in Presque Isle, Maine there is no mention of flight 4933. Commutair. The Daigles were still at the airport as of 2 p.m. after having been interviewed by emergency medical technicians and a United representative, Daigle said. The flight was operated by CommutAir under the United Express brand. The EMB145XR subsequently impacted the snow-covered grassy area between runway 1 and a parallel taxiway. The benefits of subscriptionGet the news right onto your desktop when they happenPut the news on your website/in your newspaper. If he cant tell were the runway is what other skills is he lacking???? 189k members in the flying community. It was a woman. Left Republic due to LOFT issueswhat does that mean??? Read recent air safety reports, incidents and news about Commutair. The agency said it will work closely with a federal government contractor . At 11:28EST, as the aircraft descended through 200ft (61m) AGL, the minimum decision height for the approach, the captain called out "runway in sight twelve o'clock." It's interesting to see what gets released fairly quickly (such as the 909 accident) or takes forever. That final report has been out for months. Airport maintenance staff later reported that the runway lights were not illuminated at the time. [7], The NTSB identified the first officer's lack of sleep as a contributing factor. Instrument meteorological conditions (IMC) prevailed at the airfield, with low ceilings, fog, and blowing snow. Theyre famous here too! The first officer then spotted a tower near the aircraft's position, and realizing that the aircraft was not aligned properly with the runway, he initiated a missed approach. On March 4, 2019, the Embraer EMB-145XR operating the flight touched down in a snow-covered grassy area to the right of the runway at Presque Isle International Airport, injuring three aircraft occupants and substantially damaging the aircraft. The flight was operating under the provisions of Title 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 121 as a regularly scheduled domestic passenger from Newark International Airport (KEWR), Newark, New Jersey, to KPQI. However, none of the pilots reported the issues. Fourteen minutes after the accident, visibility had improved to 0.75mi (1.21km), with scattered clouds at 800ft (240m) AGL, and an overcast ceiling at 1,300ft (400m) AGL. JavaScript is disabled. The final straw was flying in IMC into a bay surrounded by mountains to eht to a local village (Alaska) the villagers complained loudly. This incident at the airport in Presque Isle was very disturbing and frightening for the passengers and crew who were involved,. Get the news right onto your desktop when they happen, The human factor named "Simon Hradecky" and the team of man and machine. Going into MEX after midnight during thunderstorm season would have been a single pilot operation for me.I wonder how their CPP interview will go at U Was just released yesterday or day before that he completely missed the runway. [1]:5. They have no business being in these cockpits. For those who refer to the pilot as a man, I was a passenger in this plane, and the pilot was not a man. Senator Susan Collins, the Ranking Member of the Transportation Appropriations Subcommittee, issued a statement on the release of the National Transportation Safety Boards (NTSB) final report on the missed runway incident at Presque Isle International Airport that occurred in March of 2019. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. The multiple interview references to the CA's training history and reputation are also quite interesting. The first officer and two of the 28 passengers sustained minor injuries. ALPA needs to be stop defending these pilots all the time. It was the copilot's first day on the job. How difficult he is ? She nearly received a crew room beat down from one of my favorite ( but also very hot blooded) flight attendants. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. I understand that there could be some malicious company managers that could abuse this, but there has to be a way to tell hiring managers that a pilot is a danger. The report determined the probable causes of this accident to be the flight crews decision, due to confirmation bias, to continue the descent below the decision altitude when the runway had not been positively identified. The National Transportation Safety Board traveled to the scene of this accident. 553 .1972 12 8, N9031U (City of Lincoln): 2 737-222 : 1 . . So the vaunted 121 safety system isn't exactly 100% effective? I am so curious to know why it took so long for really anything to be released about this accident. The pilots attempted to land again in a second attempt. Fired from what airline ? If you search the database for accidents in Presque Isle, Maine there is no mention of flight 4933. . The airplane was substantially damaged. After the go-around, the first officer asked the captain if she saw the runway lights during the approach. Rick and Cassie Daigle, owners of Too Far North Fitness in Fort Kent, were on this United flight that ended up off the runway at the airport in Presque Isle on Monday morning. We smelled some burning, but nothing was on fire. On Jul 8th 2022 the NTSB released their factual report reporting amongst other details: On March 2, 2019 (2 days before the accident), the flight crew of . The NTSB has scrubbed any mention of this accident from their website. One pilot and three passengers were injured, and the aircraft was substantially damaged. Of the 31 passengers and crew onboard, two passengers and 1 crewmember received minor injuries. As I said, drama might as well have been her middle name. They dont need to know the aircraft or the area or the SOP. I had no idea that snow could affect the localizer signal. Interestingly (unless I'm missing something) the CVR transcript still hasn't been released. The aircraft touched down at 11:29EST and came to rest in a snow-covered grassy area between the runway and a parallel taxiway. That final report has been out for months. Airborne 02.24.23: GAMA 2022 Report, Piper News, Starship March Launch. Hello world! Contributing to the accident was also the first officers fatigue, which exacerbated his confirmation bias and the failure of at least six pilots who had observed the localizer misalignment to report it to the company and air traffic before the accident. Unfortunately, it was implemented way too late to catch things like Atlas and this, but thats the nature of the beast: reactive and years behind at best. The flight was operated by CommutAir under the United Express brand. More than three years later, the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) released its final report and said a string of errors and miscues were behind the accident. Also big Yikes. But ALPA is too scared theyll get hit by a DFR lawsuit. She had accumulated a total of 5,655 flight hours, 1,044 of them on the Embraer EMB-145XR. Fleet type match . Photos showed some of the landing gear stuck in one of the engines. Following the incident, Senator Collins contacted the National Transportation Safety Board and asked them to investigate the cause of the accident. The NTSB has released a preliminary report from an incident in which a CommutAir flight 4933, an Embraer EMB-145XR, N14171, d.b.a. The failure of CommutAir pilots who had observed an issue with the ILS prior to the accident and failed to report it to the company and air traffic control. His specialist knowledge of Latin American airlines and close relationship with the likes of Aeromexico, Avianca, Volaris brings depth to our coverage in the region. Many were hired right after failures. Biggest teller? Why has literally no information been put out by the NTSB? The first officer was the pilot flying and the captain was the pilot monitoring. Back on March 4th of that year, A 50 passenger Embraer plane was attempting to land on runway 1 at the Presque Isle International Airport in light and moderate . commutair 4933 ntsb report. From June 2007 to October 2008, the aircraft was operating for Delta Connection before operating once again for Continental Express until October 2010 when it commenced operations for United Express. United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in light to moderate snow at Northern Maine Regional Airport at Presque Isle (KPQI), Presque Isle, Maine. Preventing Windshield Arcing, Smoke, and Fire on Bombardier DHC-8 Airplanes . Carguychris (talk) 14:50, 1 August 2022 (UTC) Relisting. Let us know in the comments below. He had accumulated a total of 4,909 flight hours, 470 on the Embraer EMB-145XR. Commutair 4933 Roger Roger May 22, 2022 1 2 3 4 Next Roger Roger Paid to sleep, fly for fun May 22, 2022 #1 Couldn't find the original threads, but the docket is open NTSB Docket - Docket Management System data.ntsb.gov Minuteman "Dongola" May 22, 2022 #2 Oh yeah . For more information, please see our CommutAir Flight 4933 (operating as United Express Flight 4933) was a domestic regional flight operating from Newark, New Jersey, to Presque Isle, Maine, in the United States. The National Transportation Safety Board is an independent federal agency charged by Congress with investigating every civil aviation accident in the United States and significant accidents in other modes of transportation highway, marine, pipeline , and railroad . Remove the mounting nuts and the mounting bolts. American that struck ground and a few others at JFK. Remove the front passenger 's airbag. [2] It came to rest with the left main landing gear assembly sheared off and wedged between the rear fuselage and the left engine. Flight status, tracking, and historical data for CommutAir 4933 (C54933/UCA4933) 17-Mar-2022 (KIAH-KLFT) including scheduled, estimated, and actual departure and arrival times. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. The airplane was substantially damaged. The accident closed the airport Monday, and it is not known immediately when outgoing and incoming flights will resume, she said. FAA guidance before the accident did not specifically address snow depth around a localizer antenna; after the accident, the guidance was revised to state that localizer alignment should be checked if snow accumulated to a depth exceeding 2ft (0.61m)[1]:4, The NTSB found that at least six CommutAir pilots had noticed the localizer misalignment within the preceding five days before the accident but none had filed a company aviation safety action program (ASAP) report; however, four of them filed ASAP reports after the accident. Did anyone else see that they got the shaker during the first missed, and set off the EGPWS? DropTank Well-Known Member May 22, 2022 #3 Roger Roger said: [5], The final report was released by the NTSB on July 12, 2022, more than 3 years after the accident. The NTSB announced two investigators have been dispatched to Presque Isle to investigate the accident of the United Express Embraer ERJ-145XR. Landing under that set of circumstances is a fools errand. 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